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Offline Decrosse  
#1 Posted : Friday, June 1, 2012 9:22:16 AM(UTC)
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You know how you can select to be a General during Skirmish setup? Well, what I'd like to do is take those General-specific Structures, Units, and Powers and "merge" them with their respective standard faction.


Question: In total (includes game's current default) how many factions can ZH have?

I have an idea for a Mod, though will soon enough need help with new/custom models etc etc...
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#2 Posted : Friday, June 1, 2012 2:09:34 PM(UTC)
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Question: In total (includes game's current default) how many factions can ZH have?

12, IIRC. It varies somewhat depending on what you want the faction to do, as you could simply allow the player to choose a mini-faction after starting the game.
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#3 Posted : Friday, June 1, 2012 2:52:40 PM(UTC)
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Question: In total (includes game's current default) how many factions can ZH have?

12, IIRC. It varies somewhat depending on what you want the faction to do, as you could simply allow the player to choose a mini-faction after starting the game.


thanks. this would be my first time modding anyhow.

What I plan to do is somehow change the Generals factions (like usa laser general) to a new faction, but would like to save his/her specific unnits, structures, & powers to standard USA faction.

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#4 Posted : Saturday, June 2, 2012 4:05:56 PM(UTC)
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I'm not sure I follow.

Do you mean you'd like USA to have the abilities of all the US generals simultaneously?
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#5 Posted : Saturday, June 2, 2012 6:06:53 PM(UTC)
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I'm not sure I follow.

Do you mean you'd like USA to have the abilities of all the US generals simultaneously?



yes, and their structures/units. such as USA Laser general has laser turret, I'd like to put it in with normal USA faction. (same for the others, china to china, gla to gla)Smile

I miss playing as Nod/Soviet GDI/Allies etc when playing Zero Hour. Sure, that AllStars mod is nice but I need some difference. like factions not bunched together/more factions.
something like, for example:
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    ALLIES
    GDI
    USA
    CHINA
    RISING SUN
    GLA
    SOVIET
    NOD
    CABAL
    SCRIN
    FORGOTTEN
    *???*
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#6 Posted : Saturday, June 2, 2012 9:14:09 PM(UTC)
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There's no easy way to merge factions together. You'll just have to do a lot of modding.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, June 2, 2012 9:26:11 PM(UTC)
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There's no easy way to merge factions together. You'll just have to do a lot of modding.


I still wish to learn modding for ZH. for starting, I'd like to give usa generals' stuff to normal usa faction. which files/folders would I need?
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#8 Posted : Sunday, June 3, 2012 2:32:27 AM(UTC)
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It's actually 15 factions if you include boss general and the other two unused general slots.

Though 16 is a more round number if I get my data with games and stuff. So I think you could have 16 factions...

Xenoforce has 3 new generals(Gundam, Zaku and Macross), and not one of them is a replacement for Boss General.

Now for 'merging' the generals; you could simple re-assign building/unit prerequisites to the general of your liking as well as the required sciences for skills.

You will need the ini files of:
AmericaAir
AmericaInfantry
AmericaVehicle
AirforceGeneral
SuperWeaponGeneral
LaserGeneral

As for 'better' versions of units, you could replace the default version completely by re-assigning it to the General-specific building.

Like for example:
-EMP Missile Turrets completely replaced the Normal Missile Turrets.
-Auroras are completely replaced Alpha Auroras.
-Raptors completely replaced with King Raptors.

Though for some of Laser General's weaponry, you might want to keep a separate unit for it, so you can have Laser Crusaders and Normal Crusaders working together.

Edited by user Sunday, June 3, 2012 2:48:04 AM(UTC)  | Reason: added some things that might help.

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Reduced back to 3 main factions(and a couple of extras).
Each faction can choose a(or all of them) tech-tree via General's Powers.
Angel Wings: Jets and Anti-Air, Helicopters and Missiles, Hovercraft and Lasers
Red Skulls: Armor Division, Mecha Armada, Drone Swarm
Earth's Saviors: Air Raid, Homeworld Security, Stealth
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#9 Posted : Sunday, June 3, 2012 4:54:08 AM(UTC)
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It's actually 15 factions if you include boss general and the other two unused general slots.

It depends how you count it. 12 is the maximum number of campaign slots. You could even count Civilian and Observer.

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You will need the ini files of:
AmericaAir
AmericaInfantry
AmericaVehicle
AirforceGeneral
SuperWeaponGeneral
LaserGeneral

+ FactionBuilding.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, June 3, 2012 11:08:33 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: precision_bomber Go to Quoted Post


Xenoforce has 3 new generals(Gundam, Zaku and Macross), and not one of them is a replacement for Boss General.


As for 'better' versions of units, you could replace the default version completely by re-assigning it to the General-specific building.

Like for example:
-EMP Missile Turrets completely replaced the Normal Missile Turrets.
-Auroras are completely replaced Alpha Auroras.
-Raptors completely replaced with King Raptors.

Though for some of Laser General's weaponry, you might want to keep a separate unit for it, so you can have Laser Crusaders and Normal Crusaders working together.


might want to also keep normal missile turret..

but generally that is the idea there.

same for China & GLA.

Though how about new factions for Zero Hour?
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#11 Posted : Sunday, June 3, 2012 2:02:43 PM(UTC)
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Okay, got the .INIs, work with USA first.. not sure what to change/leave alone... :
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, June 5, 2012 7:13:33 PM(UTC)
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Okay, so new faction has say China Troop Crawler & USA Humvee. I'd like for them to use Civilian Vehicle Models & Textures, same for the Structures using Civilian structure models & textures... So Humvee as a Car... Troop Crawler, maybe as a Limo?

First starting with Mutants faction, then will work on the others... deal with new models etc later, meaning also armor, health, damage...

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reading a tutorial... need help with above stuff though.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, June 6, 2012 10:51:48 PM(UTC)
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... Yes I'd like to bring the old factions (and some) to Zero Hour... Mutants, GDI, NOD, ALLIES, SOVIET, RISING SUN, CABAL, ETC...

how to test new factions?

Here's what I'd like, for example:
Mutants
-America Powerplant -> ChemicalBunker
- China Barracks -> ChemicalFacility
-GLA Arms Dealer -> BaikonurGroundControlCenter
-GLA Black Market -> NuclearBunker
-America Command Center-> AirfieldHanger01

Barracks
-Angry Mob (+let attack air units)
-Pathfinder (as 'normal' Infantry unit)
...
Arms Dealer
-Troop Crawler -> Limo
-America Humvee -> CarCompact
-

Black Market
-Tanks -> Trucks.
Jets/Choppers?


the -> is for uses models/textures of >
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#14 Posted : Thursday, June 7, 2012 4:52:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Decrosse Go to Quoted Post
Okay, so new faction has say China Troop Crawler & USA Humvee. I'd like for them to use Civilian Vehicle Models & Textures, same for the Structures using Civilian structure models & textures... So Humvee as a Car... Troop Crawler, maybe as a Limo?


In general, You can replace ModuleTag_01 to fully replace the model of one unit with another. However, with no firing bones on those vehicles, the projectiles will likely come out of the floor.
If you need help, post in the forum. You'll get help a lot faster than if you send me a PM.

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#15 Posted : Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:41:23 PM(UTC)
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Which is just fine, I'll need to recheck new faction stuff... I tried to make new faction following a tutorial... not sure if it worked or not...
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2012 5:05:31 AM(UTC)
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However, with no firing bones on those vehicles, the projectiles will likely come out of the floor.

What about those humvs from GLA's mission 2? (generals not ZH) They do fire at you if you come close (the 'UN' humvee). And even if, you can always use turret as fire bone, should look realistically enough for bullets.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:26:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Decrosse Go to Quoted Post
Okay, so new faction has say China Troop Crawler & USA Humvee. I'd like for them to use Civilian Vehicle Models & Textures, same for the Structures using Civilian structure models & textures... So Humvee as a Car... Troop Crawler, maybe as a Limo?


In general, You can replace ModuleTag_01 to fully replace the model of one unit with another. However, with no firing bones on those vehicles, the projectiles will likely come out of the floor.


edit: slow updating this thread to me.

well, just wondering is there a way to add another slot to the drop down menu when selecting faction for skirmish? without overwriting generals like USA Laser General etc, if it's possible ok if not well can figure something else out...


Originally Posted by: newnightmare Go to Quoted Post
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However, with no firing bones on those vehicles, the projectiles will likely come out of the floor.

What about those humvs from GLA's mission 2? (generals not ZH) They do fire at you if you come close (the 'UN' humvee). And even if, you can always use turret as fire bone, should look realistically enough for bullets.


Will keep this in mind for one faction or other, it'll still be useful.Smile

Edited by moderator Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:17:21 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Double Post Merge
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#18 Posted : Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:53:08 AM(UTC)
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edit: slow updating this thread to me.

well, just wondering is there a way to add another slot to the drop down menu when selecting faction for skirmish? without overwriting generals like USA Laser General etc, if it's possible ok if not well can figure something else out...




I think there is...
Go to PlayerTemplate.ini

Have "PlayableSide" as Yes...
Just make sure it has a DisplayName so you can tell...

Code:

PlayerTemplate FactionBossGeneral
  Side              = Boss
  BaseSide          = China ;Not sure if this is the best choice....(for academy)
  PlayableSide      = Yes
  StartMoney        = 0
  PreferredColor    = R:0 G:255 B:0
  IntrinsicSciences = SCIENCE_GLA SCIENCE_AMERICA SCIENCE_CHINA
  PurchaseScienceCommandSetRank1 = Boss_SCIENCE_CHINA_CommandSetRank1
  PurchaseScienceCommandSetRank3 = Boss_SCIENCE_CHINA_CommandSetRank3
  PurchaseScienceCommandSetRank8 = Boss_SCIENCE_CHINA_CommandSetRank8
  SpecialPowerShortcutCommandSet = SpecialPowerShortcutBoss
  SpecialPowerShortcutWinName     = GenPowersShortcutBarChina.wnd
  SpecialPowerShortcutButtonCount = 9
  DisplayName       = INI:FactionBossGeneral
  StartingBuilding  = Boss_CommandCenter
  StartingUnit0     = Boss_VehicleDozer
  ScoreScreenImage  = China_ScoreScreen
  LoadScreenImage   = SNFactionLogoPage_China
  LoadScreenMusic   = Load_China
  ScoreScreenMusic  = Score_China
  ;HeadWaterMark    = SCTempSelectPortrait ; don't use unless we add a "generalshead for non selected generals
  FlagWaterMark     = WatermarkChina
  EnabledImage      = SSObserverChina
  BeaconName        = MultiplayerBeacon
  SideIconImage     = GameinfoBOSS
  OldFaction        = No   ; This faction was NOT available in the original Generals and should NOT be available if the oldFactionsOnly flag is set
  ArmyTooltip       = TOOLTIP:BioStrategyLong_Pos9
  Features          = GUI:BioFeatures_Pos9
End
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Reduced back to 3 main factions(and a couple of extras).
Each faction can choose a(or all of them) tech-tree via General's Powers.
Angel Wings: Jets and Anti-Air, Helicopters and Missiles, Hovercraft and Lasers
Red Skulls: Armor Division, Mecha Armada, Drone Swarm
Earth's Saviors: Air Raid, Homeworld Security, Stealth
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#19 Posted : Saturday, June 23, 2012 1:45:00 AM(UTC)
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sorry for late post, packed up for a move... I plan to make a Campaign+Story for this mod
my mouse likes to auto-double-click sometimes.
Okay, I got that... I think? not sure what to set/use for the powers/abilities; like MOAB...

But first thing first... How do you test your new faction(s) if files are in a project folder on desktop?
would like infantry units to heal in leftovers from Scuds & Nukes, if possible...

first faction (would be nice to get directions to help; might need modeler(s) & such later)

Something like this

model change for this faction only:
(The) Forgotten
Quote:

America PowerPlant->ChemicalBunker
China Supply Center->OilRefinery
(America Fire Base) Turret->GasStorageTank02
War Factory->GasStorageFacility ; can do/is USA & US Laser General Patriot(s) + build/train new units not found at the others
StrategyCenter->EnglishTvStatio
Bunker->CivilianTEROutPost
GLA Black Market->CivilianTEROilDepot ; upgrades (buttons) will need to be changed
GLA ArmsDealer->CivilianHangar
Baracks->ChemicalFactory
Superweapon (Ion Canon)->CBNukeA ; effects, damage, graphics will need to be changed later. Mixed with GLA Scud Storm)
Command Center ->BaiknurGroundControlCenter ; Dozer+Workers (Worker->AmericanFarmer01 + Dozer->TractorBackhoe) can do some damage (the BackHoe moreso)
Airfield->AirfieldHanger
SupplyDrop->NuclearBunker



Quote:

supply truck->OxPlow; the Ox needs a li'l model/texture edits

'Baracks'
- GLA AngryMob ; less 'people' model(s) if can less damage a li'l more armor, allow attack Air/flying units but less damage. needs model/texture edits
- Pathfinder; stats edits... no stealth, less damage more armor. model/textures need edit - see 'War Factory' section
-Rocket Infantry; needs some edits
-Hacker(china)->HomelessGuy
-SecretPolice(china)->AsianFarmer01
-UNSoldier
-Partisan01-03
-Engineer->GenericFemale01; can attack + do a little damage to enemies

'Arms Dealer'
- USA Humvee->CarAsian1
- China Troop Crawler->Limo
-GLA Attack Bike->CarSport; no rider/cant change rider
-USA Medic/Ambulance->CarAmbulance
-GLA BombTruck->CINE_U05_TankerTruck
-USA RepairDrone->HorseDrawnCart; the horse needs a little edits texture/model
-China Battlemaster->Firetruck
-USA Marauder->Tractor
-GLA Rocket Buggy->CarSedan
-GLA BattleBus->PoliceCar; less garrison slots
-GLA Technical->CarCompact

'War Factory'
- will likely need a Modeler or more here...
Tiberian Fiend (Attack Dog)
Tiberian Alpha (Attack Panther)
Tiberian Charger (Elephant)
Tiberian Fighter (Rhinoceros)
Tiberian Wrangler (Snake)
Tiberian Crusher (Crocodile)
Tiberian Stinger (Scorpion)
Tiberian Watcher (Giraffe)
Tiberian Guard (Bull bovines)
Tiberian Scout (Horse)
Tiberian Wrecker (Rat, infiltrator/saboteur)
Tiberian Tanker (Alligator-Snapping Turtle)
- more may be added later

'Airfield'
see above 'War Factory'
I need to think for this section for the others...
-USA Raptor->AircraftCessna
-China Mig->AircraftCropDuster
-CommercialAirLinger
-ChinaJetCargoPlane
-ChinaJetCarpetBomber
-AmericaJetB3
-AmericaJetB52
-AmericaJetCargoPlane
-AmericaJetSpectreGunship
-Hellfire Drone
-Comanche->AmericaVehicleScoutDrone



Next factions:
Nod & GDI

Thanks in advance and sorry for the trouble.
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