I think they do get an unfair advantage. It's what a lot of games to to their Ai to make them a more challenging opponent, when really it just makes it unfair. I tried being demo and going all out on the airforce general on hard, who for some reason was able to rebuild his airfeilds and power plants every time without issues.

[will come up with a new general soon]

Isn't this supposed to be a general making place, sirs? I mean,why are we talking about strategies here?
Isn't it kind of revealing yours?

Edited by user Sunday, January 11, 2015 7:19:06 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

As long as it's generating intelligent discussion, i dont mind.

New General!

Gou T'sing

Specialty: Propaganda and unit moral

Nationalism and Patriotism upgrade already purchased.

Propaganda center $500 less expensive.

Speaker towers cover a 50% wider range

New units:

Propaganda Tank - $800 - Replaces ECM tank. A tank with a propaganda tower, but the tower gives out 2X the power of an ordinary tower. 2x healing speed, firing rate and unit speed. Can hold 2 infantry inside that can shoot out. It's armor however is very weak and is subject to power outages.

Officer - $500 - Can rally nearby units, much like the propaganda tank, but not as powerful and doesn't cover as wide of a range, and doesn't heal vehicles. Shoots using a handgun.

Psycho tank - $2000 - Stealthed, sends out a broadcast to nearby enemy units that, when exposed long enough to, can make them change sides. Slow, expensive, and weak armored. Once the changed unit becomes outnumbered by it's former army, it will slowly change back.

Not bad Super G. Lack of ECM tanks is a pretty severe weakness, but the attack rate buffs will help a lot against most opponents.

Gameanator, your general is very vague on power and prices, so it could be balanced under the right circumstances.


How are you going to discuss general creation without discussing strategy and balance?

If someone makes a general with a double barrelled scud launcher, it's not going to break the game balance, but if they make a general with half price rocket infantry, or rocket buggies that don't require a Palace, then it's highly overpowered.


Airforce generals regular chinooks don't have weapons. I was talking about them as a support unit.

Say you have a group of 6 USA Rockvees ($13200) vs 2 airforce Chinooks and 5 Rockvees ($13,400). Both sides come in range and then retreat. The airforce general has a significant advantage because the Chinooks reduce the number of missiles exchanged.


Superweapon general doesn't have stealth comanches. AFG also has increased armour against quads for his comanches with the countermeasures upgrade. Both of these are very important for countering quads. They come in, obliterate the quads with rocket pods, and leave. If there are too many quads, they target somewhere else.

I'm also not overestimating anything. I've seen it done in a competitive game, and I've also seen it given as advice before from pros. Most of the things I've said in this thread aren't my own ideas.

Edited by user Sunday, January 11, 2015 8:51:49 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

USA Rapid Deployment General(Unknown name)

Spy drone available from the start.

Rangers cost 150
MDs cost 250
Col.Burton costs 1350
Pathfinder costs 500
New Unit:
Orbital Dropper-Can only be obtained at the Orbital Drop Support power. Better than Rangers and can attack air.

Light Crusader-lighter armor and damage, cost 750
Light Paladin-lighter armor and damage,cost 950
Light Humvee-can only hold 4 soldiers.
Light Ambulance-lighter armor, cost 300
Avenger costs 2200
Microwave tank costs 1000
Sentry drone can call in paradrops. And it costs 500.
New Unit
Stealth Tank-shoots missiles like the Nod one(not sure)-costs 1000

Raptor costs 1350
Comanche costs 1200, stealthed by default
Aurora is unavailable
Stealth Fighter can attack air and cost 1400
New Unit:
Elite Combat Chinook- 10 infantry and a minigun, has AAPDL like Avenger, costs 1750
MH53"Pave Low"-Support Chopper, heals units in effect. Armed with bombs,machineguns and a bunker. costs 2000
Apache-has 10 missiles and 2 autocannons. Can attack air. Costs 1800.

Orbital Drop-Drops pods from space and damages buildings in area. Up to level 3 and it replaces ranger paradrop.
A10 strike can call in 2, 4, and 6 aircraft per level.
Emergency repair up to level 1 only.

New SW:Cluster ICBM, launches 50 small missiles from ICBM.


Note:This is my second general.

Haha! The old and classic China Flame General! Nice one!
By the way, thanks a million for recommending ProGen, it's awesome! I can't believe I haven't heard of it before. And by the way, do you, by any chance, recommend Crazy Mod, Annihilationzh?

Edited by user Monday, January 12, 2015 11:30:07 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Pfft. xD Alright, AliasConditionStateZH.

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I'll fix up the GLA Airforce General later. Right now, here's two new generals for ya'll:

USA Crusader General
Trevor Cruiser
Male, completely white hair that is parted in the middle and decently long, and he has blue eyes

-Infantry costs $100 more
-Crusader Tank costs $700 and can be upgraded to have a Ranger standing on top to counter infantry for $1000
-Ranger Crusader upgrade: See above.
-Can create the Laser Crusader. Completely identical to the Laser General’s Laser Crusader
-Paladin Unavailable
-Microwave Tank is replaced with the Dragon Crusader. It fires Battlemaster-level powerful tank shells that burn infantry and clear out buildings. It costs the same as the Microwave Tank and still requires the Strategy Center. When it dies, the napalm spills out and causes a sizeable fire.
-Pathfinder unavailable.
-Tomahawk costs $2000 instead of $1200
-Hellfire Drone is replaced by the Crusader Drone. Just what it sounds like, it fires Crusader tank Shells… and can attack aircraft, too. Somehow.
-Sentry Drone is not available and is replaced by the Spy Crusader. It does much less damage then the regular Crusader and is essentially equal to the Scorpion Tank in terms of damage output and armor, but it is cloaked while moving and detects stealth units. Costs $700
-Aircraft is $200 more expensive
-Aurora Bomber and Stealth Fighter are unavailable.
-Comanache still uses Rocket Pods, but its secondary missile weapon is replaced by four Crusader Tank shells.
-Speed Treads upgrade: Costs $1000. It doubles the speed of the Crusader.
-Ranger Flashbangs are replaced by Ranger Crusading upgrade. Quite simply, they can switch between assault rifles and Crusader Tank shells. Same cost.
-Ranger Paradrop is replaced by Crusader Drop. First level drops one Crusader, the second drops two, the third drops 4.
-Humvee costs $800
-Avenger is replaced by the Vengeance Crusader. Its top turret thingy is replaced by a big round… Thing. It attacks by sending out a Zero-Point Energy Field beam that punts the enemy forces and missiles back. It does damage to ground and air forces, but when used against missiles it simply smacks them back without destroying it. Does not provide targeting assistance, however. Costs $1000.
-Gravity Toy upgrade: Costs $1000. It improves the abilities of the Vengeance Crusader by allowing it to continually hold back an enemy and missiles while still doing damage. It only handles one enemy unit at a time, but can handle multiple missiles at once, holding them back continually until they run out of fuel.
-Humvee TOW Missile is replaced with the Crusade Gun. It fires a Crusader Shell that can also target aircraft
-Patriot Missile System is replaced by the Chivalrous Missile System. It fires four Crusader Tank shells.
-Firebase garrisonable by vehicles, but not infantry.
Description:
Trevor is essentially the USA’s equivalent to a Tank General, and able to whoop any other army’s vehicular units out on the field. Anything that dares to step near his variety of Crusaders will find itself ground into powder, even infantry, with the Dragon Crusader and Ranger Crusader upgrade. However, his infantry is more expensive and his Aircraft has been nerfed, although the Comanche does have a nice weapon change. Rawkitvees/Rockvees are not recommended for him due to much higher costs for the Missile Defenders and Humvees. Not to mention, although Rangers can be glued to the Crusaders, the lack of Pathfinders is a major weakness when facing enemy infantry, not to mention his artillery, Tomahawks, is much more expensive. Nevertheless, he is a true force to be reckoned with, having fiery spirit in his Dragon Crusaders, exposing and ambushing the enemy with Spy Crusaders, rocket-blocking with his Vengeance Crusaders, and frying the enemy with Laser Crusaders. Despite Crusader cost reductions, though, he will certainly still require a strong economy to be a threat. Trevor is the ultimate USA authority on tanks and tank shells.

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The lack of cheap Rawkitvees might make him easier to take out early in the game without an ally, but later in the game he should be unstoppable.

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China Artillery General
Feng List
Female, brown hair that is over a foot long and has streaks of blonde, she has green eyes

-Red Guards are produced one at a time
-Mortar Combatant infantry: Essentially an infantry version of the Inferno Cannon. Same range and weapon, with the potential to cause a firestorm. Costs $500 and can use Hording.
-Inferno Cannons are $200 cheaper and can Horde
-Nuke Cannons do not require a Propaganda Center and come pre-built with Neutron Shells. In addition, they deploy in half the time of standard Nuke Cannon. Cost remains unchanged to balance this.
-Inferno Cannons and Nuke Cannons start as veterans
-Battlemaster unavailable
-Gattling Cannon costs $100 more
-Dragon Tank costs $100 more
-Troop Crawler only comes with 6 Red Guards, but costs the same.
-Overlord is replaced with the Artillery Lord. It is equipped with double Inferno Cannons that fire slightly faster. Has the same upgrades as a standard Overlord, except of course Uranium Shells is exchanged for Black Napalm (Nuclear Tanks, Gattling Cannon, Speaker Tower, and Bunker can still be used for it). Costs the same as a standard Overlord and still requires a Propaganda Center.
-ECM Tank has double the range for disabling vehicles but costs $200 more.
-Black Lotus throws grenades to defend herself against infantry and vehicles. She cannot disable vehicles, but her grenades will clear out garrisoned buildings and cause knockback when they explode. They have about the same damage output as a Scorpion’s rocket.
-Uranium Shells unavailable
-Carpet Bombing drops as many bombs as Granger’s version, but the speed remains unchanged.
-Red Guard Training unavailable
-Artillery Training will make Inferno and Nuke Cannons built as Elites, and the Mortar Combatant to be trained as a veteran
-Artillery Barrage Level 1 is the same as a level 2 Artillery Barrage, Level 2 is the same as a Level 3, and Level 3 has 12 more shells fired.
-Frenzy also increases the range of units
-EMP Pulse is replaced with EMP Carpeting Bombing. It drops the same amount of bombs as a standard Chinese Carpet Bomber, but each bomb uses EMP to disable buildings and vehicles


Anyone who dares to oppose Feng List will end up with the sky falling down on their forces, as Feng utilizes every long-range ability she could think of. She is essentially the General's Ability goddess due to her insane Artillery Barrage and improved Carpet Bombing, not to mention that her unit's long range will ensure that the enemy's face will be used by her to mop the bloody battlefield long before their own forces are within range of her base. Unfortunately, should they somehow manage to actually breach her line of defense, she will be left with very little to effectively defend her forces. She lacks any real powerful medium and short-ranged units, and her own artillery will likely cause deadly splash damage that destroys her forces in addition to the enemy in such a case. In addition, her primary attacking force will always have to have several squads of infantry and light vehicles accompanying it, lest the enemy simply send a few fast and short-ranged units to kill them. However, if the cards are being played right niether of these situations should even happen.

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Whatchuya'll think? Balanced? Cool? Suckish?

Edited by user Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:48:41 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

No need to worry about breaking past the line. The Mortar Combatant infantry will just casually annihilate everything ever, especially when they're put in a listening outpost. There would be firestorms EVERYWHERE. Not to mention, bunkers and civilian buildings.

Range needs to be carefully balanced Gameapotata, and a $500 price tag is nowhere near enough to balance an infantry unit WITH HORDE wielding the weapon from an inferno cannon. Give that thing 1/4 less damage, 20 less range, and double the number of projectiles required for a firestorm, and then it might be somewhat fair.

Holy crap... You're right...

Okay, while I'm at it for fixing Feng's Mortar Combatants, I'm just going to revise Trevor a little, and Feng's overall army.

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USA Crusader General (Trevor Cruiser) revisions:
-Humvee costs $700
-The Humvee’s main turret also uses the Ranger’s standard assault rifle instead of the regular Humvee weapon, resulting in less power for it. This is balanced by the overall cheaper to make tank force of Trevor.
-Spy Crusader costs $700 instead of $800
-Colonel Burton’s weapon fires Crusader shells, with the same “clip” count of the vanilla Burton. He still costs $100 more.
-Chem Suits unavailable
-To compensate for the above limitation, his Pilots are the only infantry in his force that can use them. They come already with the upgrade.


China Artillery General (Feng List) revisions:
-Mortar Combatants retain the $500 price tag, but their weapons instead have two-thirds the firepower of an Inferno Cannon, require twice as many projectiles to cause a firestorm, and have a bit less range (20 less to be exact)
-Mortar Combatants can also target aircraft, somehow. Previously, the only counters to aircraft she had were the weak Tank Hunters and more expensive Gattling Tanks and Gattling Cannons. She was very powerful against medium-slow speed ground forces but non of her long-range units could target aircraft, and were thus very easy to kill for any USA or China enemies that would use aircraft. Mortar Combatants’ projectiles, however, can actually be shot down by Granger laser defenses and Avengers, and are effected by ECM Tank redirection.
-Red Guard is still trained one at a time, but does have twice the range of a standard Red Guard. It’s still the same price and firepower, though, and will not target aircraft.
-I actually meant to say this before, but Nuke Cannons do not require the General’s Ability to be built.
-Tank Hunters have slightly further range

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Alright, time for more new generals!

China Hacking General
Elisa Lotus, aka the lovely Black Lotus.
That’s right, Lotus’ true name has been revealed AND she’s been promoted to a general!
-Ultimate Hacker: A cloaked Hacker that starts as a veteran and hacks $1 more per rank than a Super Hacker. Equipped with the ECM Tank’s missile-redirection abilities and can also capture buildings. Also can disable enemy vehicles. Can be built without a Propaganda Center.
-Red Guards cannot capture buildings, however. They are also trained one at a time, but for the same price tag.
-Internet Center is the same price, but is cloaked and can detect enemy stealth units that come by it
-Internet Center comes pre-loaded with the ability to permanently reveal the enemy command center. After being upgraded to intermittently reveal the entire territory of enemy forces, for the same price it can be upgraded to permanently reveal the entire map to the player, which will be undone if the Internet Center is destroyed.
-Listening Outpost is replaced by the Internet Outpost. Like the Internet Center, it helps Hackers hack faster, and the two Tank Hunters are replaced by two Ultimate Hackers. However, it costs $200 more than a Listening Outpost.
-Cybola Tank replaces ECM Tank. It costs the same and still requires a Propaganda Center, but instead of disabling vehicles, it will cause them or any base defense to go berserk, stop responding to the enemy’s commands, and attack their own units until one of these things happen: The enemy blows up their own unit, the Cybola Tank is destroyed or switches targets, or the enemy sells the defense (obviously doesn’t apply to vehicles). Still re-directs missiles.
-EMP Pulse is replaced with Scrambler Pulse. The explosion has the same effect as a Cybola Tank’s weapon.
-Ultimate Hackers can continually keep a vehicle shut down, at the price of keeping themselves unstealthed.
-Overlord is replaced with the Internet Master. It generates cash like a regular Hacker, which over time can increase it’s veterancy, but does not fire tank shells. It instead has to rely on whichever of the three Overlord attachments the player chooses for it. It can, however, disable enemy vehicles and aircraft, capture buildings, and steal from supply centers/stashes. Costs the same as a standard Overlord. Best part? It has a second life like the GLA Battle Bus, turning it into a Gattling Cannon, Bunker, or Speaker Tower that generates money after its initial death.
-Black Lotus Hero unit is replaced with the Lotus Android, for obvious reason (I mean, BLACK LOTUS is commanding this army and might not want to get onto the field herself). This unit is identical to the Super Lotus except that it does not start as a veteran, is equipped with Avenger-style laser defenses, and is vulnerable to EMP.
-Uranium Shells is omitted in favor of the “Faster Routers” Upgrade. This makes Ultimate Hackers, Internet Masters, Cybola Tanks, and Lotus Androids all hack/disable/capture/and generate cash at twice the speed. Same cost and research time.
-Command Center starts with radar.
-Nationalism unavailable
-Artillery Training is replaced with Cyber Training. Lotus Android will be build as a veteran, Internet Masters as veterans, Cybola Tanks as veterans, and Ultimate Hackers trained as Elites.
-Red Guard training unavailable
-MiG is $100 more expensive
-MiG Armor unavailable
-Helix costs the same, has twice the armor resistance, and starts with a Gattling Cannon and can still upgrade with a Bunker or Speaker Tower. (“Your small Chinooks are efficient, but I prefer the strength of our Helixes.”)
-Battlemaster and Gattling Tanks cost $100 more
-Nuclear Missile replaced with Matrix Tower. It has the same charge time as a Nuclear Missile, but instead will allow the player to capture any enemy building or unit and the enemy can’t do a thing about it. However, it costs $2000 more.

Description:
Lotus’ army is styled largely after her passion for hacking stuff. She excels at disabling enemy forces before she attacks or to stop an enemy advance on her base. She lacks very little of what a standard China general has, she just has different versions of their forces. Unfortunately, though she boasts an extremely strong economy in comparison to other factions, some of her main forces and what she spends her money on is either more expensive or inferior to other versions, such as the lack of Nationalism and more expensive main tank force. However, this is balanced again by the fact that her economy is already far stronger and harder to sever than the other Chinese generals, and that it is very easy for her to take what she wants with three capturing units at her disposal, meaning that whatever she lacks she can easily steal from others. Lotus proves that she is just as good at commanding an army as she is hacking enemy buildings.

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Alright, so now, I ask for everyone, and especially AtomicSeerEight, to give their opinions on Trevor Cruiser, Feng List, and Elisa Lotus.

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Oh, and did you notice something?

Trevor Cruiser
Cruiser! Crus-ader! Huh? HUH?! Man, this pun is dead in the water. Forget I even asked.

Edited by user Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:48:03 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Rivised the revisions for Feng

Don't the faster units like Humvees, Terrorists, Hero Units, and Technicals vastly outrun the Inferno Cannon's weapon?

I will agree with AllAreInPeril, that as it was, the Mortar Combatant was severely overpowered, though.



And still is. That needs either a higher price tag, or reduced range.

Edited by user Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:49:55 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Grammer mistake