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Offline V  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:38:50 PM(UTC)
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I wrote this up in MS Word, then I decided to post it here. Enjoy.

(Spacing is lost for paragraphs when copying and pasting to the internet for some reason.)

Command and Conquer: WWII Edition
Mod for C&C Generals Zero:Hour


Description:
Ever wondered what a C&C game based on World War II would be like?
Ponder that question no more.
In Command and Conquer: WWII Edition, a mod for Zero Hour, take control of the USA, Nazi Germany, or Japanese forces, or play through a campaign as the USA to win the war against the Nazis and Japanese.
As the USA, you rely upon your supreme vehicular force to defeat your foes.
As Nazi Germany, crush your enemy with superior numbers in your infantry divisions.
As the Japanese, rule the air with the dominant air force of the main three factions.
General features:
• Reduced back to 3 factions: The USA, Nazis, and Japanese.
• More sensible damage; tank shells kill most infantry with a single shot, and missiles will actually hurt men, not just vehicles and aircraft, and nukes are far more destructive.
• Slightly different UI structures.
Instead of just a “Strong Vs./Weak Vs” description for units, more specific info is provided. Damage output, HP, level of armor, and general rate of fire.
For the most part, less special names for units. USA Rocket Infantry, Nazi Light Infantry, Japanese Sniper Infantry, etc.
• Authentically modelled WWII units and buildings for everyone.
• WWII Themed Skirmish Maps

DISCLAIMER:
No support of Nazism or anything such is intended or meant to be implied. Also, not all WWII events will be recreated; no Jewish Holocaust will be enacted by the player, for example.
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Offline Gameanater  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:02:23 PM(UTC)
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Cool idea!

Just one thing: If this is taking only the most significant or, i guess, general factions of World War 2, than you have the Allies, not just the USA. Maybe replace the USA, in this mod, with the Allies.

Edited by user Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:03:35 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#3 Posted : Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:19:14 AM(UTC)
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Did a bit of USA stuff one time. Made a few different models and most of the stuff was coded.
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It mostly replaced existing stuff so the AI would use it.
Note that my models are generally not great, and my texturing is placeholder quality.

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Just one thing: If this is taking only the most significant or, i guess, general factions of World War 2, than you have the Allies, not just the USA. Maybe replace the USA, in this mod, with the Allies.

Main factions were Russia, Germany, US, Japan, and Great Britain. It would look sorta icky to mix units, even if they were on the same side.

Also, would possibly be best to redo how units are delivered and how supplies are gathered. Instead of factories, maybe stuff is delivered from off-map via capturable buildings? In any event, i think it would look better if your units were delivered from off-map. Not sure about supplies, maybe capturing oil derricks/ports/things.

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#4 Posted : Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:09:37 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: V Go to Quoted Post

DISCLAIMER:
No support of Nazism or anything such is intended or meant to be implied. Also, not all WWII events will be recreated; no Jewish Holocaust will be enacted by the player, for example.


The majority of the people dont know where Nazi stands for and what the word means.
Na -> National Socialism
Zi -> Zionism

The world is still run by Nazis if you guys catch my drift.

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#5 Posted : Thursday, January 29, 2015 6:33:23 AM(UTC)
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A Cid Brian, I'm pretty sure that Na stands for Sodium. You were pretty close though with Socialism.

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#6 Posted : Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:02:18 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Annihilationzh Go to Quoted Post
A Cid Brian, I'm pretty sure that Na stands for Sodium. You were pretty close though with Socialism.

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#7 Posted : Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:16:43 AM(UTC)
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@Azh, Na stands for Sodium yes.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, January 29, 2015 2:03:22 PM(UTC)
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Total Conversions take a long time. CWC, for example, was quite a large mod and had quite a few team members and it still took some time to complete.

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Originally Posted by: acidbrain Go to Quoted Post
enough nameraping...:P

I have to be fair. I have yet to corrupt the names of Ratoya_Tsunami, UV, Thanks Melawyer, BibblyPause and several others.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, January 29, 2015 2:42:10 PM(UTC)
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The majority of the people dont know where Nazi stands for and what the word means.
Na -> National Socialism
Zi -> Zionism

The world is still run by Nazis if you guys catch my drift.


*ahem* i'm pretty sure Nazi stands for just National Socialism

Na - National
Zi - Socialism

The actual pronunciation in German being Nationalsozialismus.

Zionism, by definition, is the movement started in the 1890's that called upon Jewish folk to return to their historic homeland of Isreal (whether it belonged to the Jewish, or Palestinians is irrelevant, that's just the definition i found).

But I'm sure there's a few Nazi's still lurking around in governments around the world.


So, an idea i had for the mod, some sub-factions could be from the British Empire, US's smaller allies, Italy, China, Austrlia, ect.



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#10 Posted : Thursday, January 29, 2015 7:16:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: acidbrain Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: V Go to Quoted Post

DISCLAIMER:
No support of Nazism or anything such is intended or meant to be implied. Also, not all WWII events will be recreated; no Jewish Holocaust will be enacted by the player, for example.


The majority of the people dont know where Nazi stands for and what the word means.
Na -> National Socialism
Zi -> Zionism


No. Nazi is a shortened version of Hitler's partly, the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

EDIT: SUPER-G's post basically said it all. Somehow I missed it, otherwise I wouldn't have posted this.

Edited by user Thursday, January 29, 2015 7:17:41 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#11 Posted : Thursday, January 29, 2015 7:28:28 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rrtaya_Tsamsiyu Go to Quoted Post
Quote:
Just one thing: If this is taking only the most significant or, i guess, general factions of World War 2, than you have the Allies, not just the USA. Maybe replace the USA, in this mod, with the Allies.

Main factions were Russia, Germany, US, Japan, and Great Britain. It would look sorta icky to mix units, even if they were on the same side.


Apparently when trying to politely correct V, I forgot just how many factions were involved WWII.

Thanks for that info. Thumb Up

I think what V was going for game-play-wise was to have each faction be the same thing, but all focusing on differant unit types.

The USA, or Allies, being the equivalent to a Tank or Vehicle General.

The Nazi's being a German version of General Fai.

And Japan being an Asian Malcolm Granger.

That actually would be an interesting game, having only generic-ish Tank, Infantry, and Air Force generals to choose from.

However, like you said it would look odd to mix the nationality's armies together into one faction (cough General Leang cough), so there'd inevitably have to be more factions than three if we're taking only the main factions of WWII into this mod.

All I can think of other than the Infantry-Tank-Air Force lineup right now is to add Super Weapons to the list. Probably the USA, who invented the Atomic Bomb if I recall history correctly.

Would Italy be separate from the Nazis, come to think of it?

Benito Mussolini was in charge of Italy, and allied with Hitler.

Originally Posted by: Rrtaya_Tsamsiyu Go to Quoted Post
Also, would possibly be best to redo how units are delivered and how supplies are gathered. Instead of factories, maybe stuff is delivered from off-map via capturable buildings? In any event, i think it would look better if your units were delivered from off-map. Not sure about supplies, maybe capturing oil derricks/ports/things.


That'd be interesting, and be a very different style of CnC.

Every player can only build up forces with General's Abilities and Tech Buildings. Same thing with upgrades, if any.

That'd be sort of a... Base capture and control style CnC? Idk the term.

Although for Air Force, they'd probably have to get infinite ammo unless they land at the Tech Building.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, January 29, 2015 7:30:12 PM(UTC)
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#13 Posted : Thursday, January 29, 2015 9:45:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gameanater Go to Quoted Post
Would Italy be separate from the Nazis, come to think of it?

Benito Mussolini was in charge of Italy, and allied with Hitler.


Italy had similar goals, Hitler wanted his Lebensraum (essentially all of northern Europe and chunk of USSR), while Mussolini wanted to re-create the roman empire. They were allies, until THE allies landed and took it over in 1943, that and Mussolini was killed.

I mean, Italy could easily be a sub-faction under Germany, maybe not one on their own.
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#14 Posted : Friday, January 30, 2015 3:43:14 AM(UTC)
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Surely you could just have 2 factions, allies and axis powers, with each of them having sub-factions for nations.

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Is that suppost to be me? I give out Thanks a lot.

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#15 Posted : Friday, January 30, 2015 4:27:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Annihilationzh Go to Quoted Post
Surely you could just have 2 factions, allies and axis powers, with each of them having sub-factions for nations.

Originally Posted by: Gameanater Go to Quoted Post
Is that suppost to be me? I give out Thanks a lot.

Thanks Melawyer -> Tank Destroyer. I've corrupted your name several times.

I'm finding it really hard to corrupt the name of Whooper-G. There just isn't a lot you can do with it.


Your name is easy to rape Analvibrationzh

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#16 Posted : Friday, January 30, 2015 11:41:12 AM(UTC)
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#17 Posted : Friday, January 30, 2015 12:25:22 PM(UTC)
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This may have been a few posts ago but the British Empire never took part in world war 2 however the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland did
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#18 Posted : Friday, January 30, 2015 2:21:42 PM(UTC)
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This may have been a few posts ago but the British Empire never took part in world war 2 however the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland did
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Giving Palestine to the Jews with no right to do that is not a role?
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#19 Posted : Friday, January 30, 2015 3:42:22 PM(UTC)
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Giving Palestine to the Jews with no right to do that is not a role?

I don't see how that's relevant to his comment? He was only making a distinction between the British empire and the UK.
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He said, Britain didn't take a part, and I gave him a small part, that's relevant.
And Britain also fought in WWII, he says it was only Ireland and the UK, while the whole empire fought.
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